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Transforming Legal Departments: Tech and Inclusion

BDO's Legal Tech Talk · Season 3, Episode 9 · June 2, 2025 · 2,878-word transcript
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Host: Daniel Gold, BDO
Co-host: Eric Derk, BDO
Guest: Laura Dieudonné, Delta Air Lines

About this episode

Recorded live at CLOC in Las Vegas, Daniel Gold and Eric Derk talk with Laura Dieudonné, Legal Operations and Administration Director at Delta Air Lines and a CLOC board member. Laura explains how she implemented Delta's first document management system and a KPI system that the CEO reviews monthly, how that data drives staffing decisions, and how CLOC's inclusion council builds community.

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Transcript from BDO's published episode, edited for transcription errors. Speaker labels added by Gold Standard Leadership.

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Welcome to BDO's Legal Tech Talk podcast. We're joined by judges and legal professionals to discuss emerging trends, regulatory updates, and the latest headlines.

We'll provide tips to help your law firms and legal departments make the most out of legal technology.

Jared Crafton

Hi, everyone. I'm Jared Crafton, BDO's forensic technology practice leader.

Daniel Gold

And I'm Daniel Gold, forensics principal and leader of the eDiscovery managed services practice.

Let's get started with this episode's exciting topic.

Daniel Gold

And welcome back to another special edition of BDO's Legal Tech Talk podcast where we are again live from the CLOC conference in Las Vegas. And I am really excited about who is here with us right now, Eric. We are joined by Laura Dieudonné. Laura is the legal operations administration director at Delta Airlines based out of Atlanta, Georgia. And we were talking before the recording.

Laura does so much for Delta that I think I may have had to remind you of everything that you do. Laura, welcome to the program. Thank you so much.

Laura Dieudonné

Thank you, Daniel. And Eric, it's great to be here.

Daniel Gold

Well, it's great to have you here. So since joining Delta, you celebrated ten years. Congratulations. That's quite the milestone.

Laura Dieudonné

Thank you.

Eric Derk

You're welcome. It speaks volumes about your leadership, by the way. And you have really been working on enhancing the legal department's productivity through something that is near and dear to our hearts, and that's technology.

And you have done things like implement the first document management system at Delta Airlines. You introduced a redlining and a KPI reporting system. And that sings to my heart because when I look at KPIs, I'm I'm a big fan of one of the, goal setting productivity management systems called OKRs or objectives and key results. And so when I look at KPIs, I'm like, yes, this is great. I've got a fellow productivity person sitting over here to my right. And among many responsibilities that you do, you oversee that entire KPI reporting process and you serve as the chairperson on Delta's law department's operations and technology committee. And you also hold a board position here at CLOC.

Laura Dieudonné

Also at CLOC, I am the chair of its diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging council.

Daniel Gold

Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah. Oh, that's fantastic.

Eric Derk

I love that. Yeah.

Daniel Gold

That makes us think of even more questions we could probably ask you. Of course, we only have fifteen minutes here, but I'm going to pre invite you to join us in our virtual recording studio where we can have a much longer conversation with you. Let me ask you this, Laura. So you've led these significant technological advancements within Delta's legal department.

What strategies have you found most effective in implementing new technologies and most importantly, ensuring that there's adoption?

Laura Dieudonné

For each of those programs that I've implemented, the first and foremost thing I had to do was make sure I had the approvals necessary and the people pain points. I needed to understand that these folks on the team or the lawyers in the group were experiencing not the most efficient way of saving documents or comparing documents or drafts. So as a result, I met with them. I did a sort of a round table with various leaders from various practice groups, and I asked, you know, what are your pain points, and how can I help you as a legal operations director to improve and enhance the way you work so that you, in turn, can focus on law?

And as I did that, I determined, you know, we'll need a document management system, a centralized location so that when people come and go, there's this one source of truth where we'll find all those documents.

And so we went down the path of partnering with a third party to implement our NetDocuments tool.

With the KPI system, that was my GC coming in and asking, how do we know what each practice group is doing?

Explaining that he doesn't want this to be like a law firm where we're taking time sheets and, you know, clocking every fifteen minutes that a lawyer is working. But he wanted to get a sense of what each practice area was working on, whether, say, compliance was far busier than environmental or if employment could perhaps help with the litigation team. And so I partnered with a third party, and we created this KPI system focused on his priorities.

And since creating that system, we have been able to do cross training in certain areas, move lawyers from one practice area into another, and to reduce the number of reports we have to send to him each month.

And this is a report that Ed Bastian reviews with my GC every month.

We have made hiring decisions based on these results, and it's been invaluable.

Eric Derk

There's only a few law departments that I'm aware of that actually have people record their time.

The alternative is to try to interview people and survey them to figure out what they do every day, and you kinda trust that but verify it. You and then you can kinda do that through listening to them, but then you can look at data from a system for how frequently they're logging in or creating a document or working on workflow. How did you kinda come up with the KPI frameworks when you didn't have, like, hours to analyze because you didn't have people charting time?

Laura Dieudonné

Right. So, again, we work with a third party. We told them the various filters we wanted to build into this tool.

And from there, we build it out. We didn't have engagement initially because lawyers, especially those at Delta, came from a law firm. Yeah. So they didn't wanna go back to the time keeping days as in the law firm. So we explained to them, this is not something that's gonna take a lot of time. If you work on a matter once or ten times each month, we only require that you go into this KPI system and click a button once.

And then at the end of the month, I generate this report on the activity, on the risk, on the value of that matter, and so on and so forth, and then what practice area it pertains to.

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Eric Derk

I gotta tell you. That's really cool. And so you had your first just tell me about the first generation, second generation. So you had your reports.

And then how did you help the GC understand that you could, you know, do kind of alignments, majors and minor alignments, move people from departments? Because that sounds like you came up with, like, a capacity plan.

Laura Dieudonné

Yes.

Eric Derk

And that's, like, the goal of legal ops teams.

Right? How do you understand what they're doing? Mhmm. Do we have enough people to service this? How'd you do that?

Laura Dieudonné

Yeah. So the KPIs report is full of data. So we had graphs that would show the number of matters that this particular group worked on, this practice area worked on. We would show how many matters they opened, how many matters they closed, and a host of other filters that we would build into this.

And by doing that, we were able to demonstrate by telling a story. You know, here's where we need help. Here is where we can benefit from, you know, hiring someone. Or you know what?

We are not very busy in this area, so can we cross train someone from employment to help out with litigation?

And quite frankly, we have a flight plan every year. And one of the flight plan objectives is for us to cross train, to be able to collaborate across different practice areas, to make us all better, you know, and make us more valuable to the company.

Daniel Gold

I like what you said there about a flight plan.

I'm assuming that is a play off of Delta Airlines, of course.

What's interesting about what you said, I wanna dig into a little bit more, is this idea that you learn from the data.

And I think that a lot of organizations, they will, one, procure software to get ahead of demands, thinking that's gonna solve a problem, but they haven't really identified the problem. Right? What you're talking about is really creating these KPIs, leveraging the data to measure it, and it's like what everyone has said since Peter Drucker. Right?

You know, being able to measure the data allows you to be able to say, are we solving a problem? Are we able to achieve our objectives? And how could we pivot? So when I think about Delta, I mean, it's such a massive organization.

Yes. How are you able to efficiently be agile to shift? So if the data tells you one thing, you're like, well, wait a second. The data is not really going in the right direction, and we need to move this entire department, maybe.

Right? However it works in a one direction, or maybe we need to go into another. And it's amazing to me. Describe for us how you guys are able to be agile by learning from the data.

Laura Dieudonné

Well, first and foremost, we have the best lawyers in the world in our law department.

Eric Derk

Great advertisement right there.

Laura Dieudonné

We absolutely do. And I believe that and, you know, so does my GC. And we have lawyers who actually care about Delta.

And they will raise their hand whether it's their area of expertise or not. And so looking at this data and realizing we need help in one practice area or another, it was easy to get someone to move over, cross train, and help us to align where we needed to be aligned with respect to the areas that we needed support.

Daniel Gold

That says something about Delta's culture, though. Right? When you are a leadership driven company, when you are a culture driven company, then being able to move in a direction no matter irrespective of how large the organization is, it becomes easier. And what I heard you say is not just that we have the best lawyers, but these lawyers really care.

The GC really cares. When you can really believe in what the company speaks for and what the company wants to be able to accomplish, it's amazing how much easier that really is. And so learning from the data, what I'm hearing from you is learning from the data and shifting, it's no big deal. It's weaved into our culture.

Laura Dieudonné

It absolutely is. And it's gotten to the point now where we will have lawyers coming to us saying, listen. I can help in this area. All of the practice group leaders and myself meet with our GC on a regular basis.

And it's oftentimes that we hear from these practice group leaders that someone on their team has asked to learn or work in another area. And, you know, that's what makes us all successful.

You know? It's collaborating.

It's learning new skills. It's being cross trained. And what's great about that too is it's trickled down to paralegals and to admins and, you know, it's just our culture.

You know? It makes us all more invaluable.

Eric Derk

The story that you're telling is really I mean, it's amazing, and it's a lot of things that people talk about that don't actually make happen. And, you know, the biggest fear, like you said, when a lawyer comes from a law firm into a law department, I don't wanna charge my time.

Laura Dieudonné

Right.

Eric Derk

But then you prove value through your relationships a lot of times. Not it's a qualification. It's not a quantification.

But you even introduced this idea of kind of looking at both. I think most law departments would love to hear this story because it's practical. It's real. It's not like you're reading it in some, you know, brochure. I mean, it's real. Yeah. This is a really cool story.

Laura Dieudonné

Listen. We know our lawyers work hard. We don't have to sit there and watch the clock with them. Mhmm. They work hard. And they're not nine to five. They're nine to whenever we need them.

My GC and everyone encourage, you know, balancing, you know, life and work. Mhmm. And we do that. You know, we work for an airline. We wanna be able to say, hey. Go take your trip. Go enjoy your family, whatever.

But we're committed.

And, you know, when you love what you're doing, it doesn't feel like work at all.

Daniel Gold

That's true.

Eric Derk

Yeah.

Daniel Gold

When you're talking about things that you love and you're very passionate about, I wanna go back to something you said earlier in the introduction that you're also involved with on the CLOC board and that you lead the diversity, equity, inclusion efforts on CLOC.

By the way, as a footnote, in getting to know you in these last few minutes, it just seems very much part of your ethos. Frankly, it seems like it's probably part of Delta Airlines' ethos as well. Talk to us a little bit about what does that initiative look like? How are you helping the betterment of all the CLOC members through all the initiatives that you're doing?

Laura Dieudonné

So, you know, we have all of the changes that have come up in the past one hundred plus days. I mean, I'm speaking for my individual self, not for Delta, but from a CLOC's perspective. We haven't wavered on our commitment to diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging.

We have set a pathway from day one to ensure that everyone feels like they have a place here, a place where they can grow, prosper, network, whatever the need is.

This year in particular, we had started it a little bit last year, but this year in particular, I thought it was important to set up you know, most companies have what they call BRGs and some people call them different things. You know, some a group for pride, you know, LGBTQ, a group for black employees, etcetera. So I set up various groups to meet, meetups we call them. So on Monday, we kicked off with a CLOC Cares group.

It was a community effort. We went to Saint Jude's and we supported them, helped to clean up their thrift shop. We did some laundry. This is a organization that helps at risk children and adults too, quite frankly.

Many, many years ago, it would have been considered like an orphanage. Of course, they don't call it an orphanage now because we're hoping that irrespective of your age, someday we will find your parents.

So we spend the whole day a half a day there, and that was part of the whole DEIB community effort.

So yesterday, we had a meetup with our LGBTQ group as well as our neurodiversity group. And today, we had a meetup with the BIPOC group.

You know? So we're trying to build a community where everyone has a place, and they know that we see them and we hear them. And we have allies that's invited to join us. So everyone's included. It's all about inclusiveness.

And, you know, I'm here for it.

Daniel Gold

What a great answer. And let me just ask you one final question as as we, we near the end here.

I figure, by this point, I gotta know the answer to this question. But when you leave here, how are you going to empower other people at Delta with the knowledge that you have acquired throughout this past week here at CLOC?

Laura Dieudonné

Oh, there will be a knowledge drop. First and foremost, I've invited my legal ops specialist to join me here today. So we have divided and conquered the sessions. So we'll go back and we'll do a knowledge drop. We'll do a summary together. We'll present that to my GC, and he will determine how he wants to leverage that information.

Just for my peers, I'll let them know across the company what I've learned, how they can join Clock. I'm always promoting Clock anyway. And, of course, I'll be on LinkedIn talking about everything.

Daniel Gold

Mhmm. I love that. And I knew that there are some there's probably a KPI that you probably have as well. Laura, I welcome you back to the virtual recording studio of BDO Legal Tech Talk, and it's such a pleasure to speak with you today. Thank you.

Laura Dieudonné

Thank you too, Daniel. Appreciate it. Thank you, Eric.

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