BDO's Legal Tech TalkLegalWeek Interview: David Cohen of Reed Smith
About this episode
Recorded at Legalweek 2023, Daniel Gold and Jared Crafton talk with David Cohen of Reed Smith, who has attended the conference for more than twenty years. Dave reflects on the days when electronic discovery was spelled out in full, how Legalweek has grown well beyond e-discovery, why he comes to connect with colleagues including Reed Smith's technology subsidiary Gravity Stack, and how he shares what he learns.
Key takeaways
- Almost all discovery is electronic now, which makes the e in e-discovery less meaningful.
- Legalweek has grown far beyond e-discovery to cover the whole business of law.
- Conferences are about people as much as programs.
- Knowledge from the conference is a gift to pass on, through writing and speaking.
- Returning to the office with new ideas is what makes the trip worth it.
Full transcript
Transcript from BDO's published episode, edited for transcription errors. Speaker labels added by Gold Standard Leadership.
Welcome to BDO's Legal Tech Talk podcast, we're joined by judges and legal professionals to discuss emerging trends, regulatory updates, and the latest headlines. We'll provide tips to help your law firms and legal departments make the most out of legal tech.
Hi, everyone. I'm Jared Crafton, BDO's forensic technology practice leader. And I'm Daniel Gold, BDO's managing director of the enterprise eDiscovery services practice.
Let's get started with this episode's exciting topic.
Dave, thanks so much for coming to our Legal Week podcast, our remote setup here. It's nice to see you again. Thanks for inviting me. So why don't you start off, tell us about who you are where you work, what you do?
Yes. So I am a partner at the global law firm of Reed Smith, and I head up Reed Smith's records in eDiscovery practice group. So we have about eighty lawyers in the group, and we focus as the title says on eDiscovery, and records, which would be the broader field of information governance, and so my jobs include supervising that team of lawyers doing client work, and also staying up to speed on what's going on in the eDiscovery and legal technology environment. And I have known you for years and you're being a little bit modest as well.
In addition to this very big title, you clearly have a very big day job but you are also contributor in the legal space and I think that's important as well, is that for years you have been known as if I may as a as a thought leader in this space, and someone that is being well regarded. So it's very nice to have you here talking with us. Well, thanks very much. And I should give a shout out at one of my rolls outside the law firm right now is I am chair of the board of project trustees of e d r m, which is a great eDiscovery organization as you know.
Yes. And I've also been involved with Sedona on the advisory board of Georgetown Advanced Discovery Institute, I help advise master's conference involved with solid. So try try try to keep a hand in a lot of the different One wonders how you have time for the day job, actually. They've No.
And that's great. And that says a lot about actually about about who you are as as a legal professional as an individual in this space and we need more individuals like you quite frankly because the more that we have, the more that we can continue to give back to others. Question for you. How many legal weeks have you attended over the years?
Probably more than twenty because it used to be called legal tech. I like that name, Moe. Better, but go ahead. Yeah.
Yeah. I think. And I remember attending legal techs before you discover it was a thing. So probably attended the last ten in a row, at least the in person ones.
You know, they did the virtual one that I may have missed. Yeah. I used to go back when we used to call it automated litigation support and we were dealing with paper documents and, you know, microfilming and imaging and computerizing things that the new litigators of today and even not so new litigators at times they don't even remember probably.
So I go back. So I was practicing in two thousand and two, and we just called it discovery. And in interesting conversations throughout these podcasts is that people are saying, you know, we just need to go back to calling it discovery because everything is electronic. Do you agree?
I do agree. And your comment is interesting to me because I was trying to figure out for something I was doing when the term eDiscovery was first coined. I did go back and I spoke at a conference in New York in two thousand. I still had flyer for it where I spoke on electronic discovery.
And back then it wasn't even abbreviated to eDiscovery yet. So That's the first reference I can find to electronic discovery. And somebody asked me to come speak on that and I thought, what's electronic So, yeah, that was the start of it. But you're right.
There's no such thing. There's almost no such thing as discovery that's not eDiscovery. Although, I guess you could say, well, the deposition piece of it, you know, is different than the document piece. But the document piece ninety five percent of the documents now in our cases or in electronic form.
We still do go back. I'm involved in a project now where we're going back and imaging more than a million batch records that are just historical documents for a particular case. But even that gonna disappear in the coming years. I don't think I'm gonna get my way on this.
I'm trying to see if I can get P discovery to trend, just called paper discovery. Everything else is electronic. We'll call it Discovery Dave. There you go.
Well, paper discovery, paper discovery. I don't know if it'll trend. But having come back so this year last year, Do you notice anything different about this legal week over some other previous years? Yeah.
It's well, certainly, it's a lot bigger this year than it was. Before. There have been ups and downs. I mean, there were times when I think there were more booths in there or this year when we go back, like, five or ten years.
But now I see more of the providers having sort of satellite operations where they're operating out of the hotel room or in different hotel room or whatever. So not everybody's down exhibiting, which in some ways is better because it was overwhelming. You couldn't really get around to all the booths before. I'd agree with that.
Yeah. Yeah. But you know what I would say that has just been a constant trend in the industry is just the growth. I mean there's so many more people now you know, when you came to Legal Tech, fifteen years ago it was old home week and you'd be running into the same, you know, it was few hundred people, not thousands of people like we have now.
And so it's nice to see those all familiar faces. We've been doing this a long time, but we're outnumbered by the people that have just started doing eDiscovery or discovery, I'll say, in the last five years. It's exciting to see a new generation and it's exciting to see new technologies. Again, five years ago I would say, E-discovery dominated legal week.
And now I see almost as many, like, contract AI exhibitors in the booth area. And all kinds of other use of technology. And they they always did have a variety of technologies exhibited at this particular conference. But I think there's been consolidation among the company, so there may be actually fewer companies today than there were five years ago in eDiscovery, but more companies are branching out and using tech technology for other fields of law well beyond eDiscovery.
When you came here to the conference, so I mean we've established that you are involved in literally everything tanked that involves discovery. So when you come here though, but you what was your objective? Your learning objective? What did you wanna get out of coming to legal week?
Yeah, so part of it is just networking with people that and that's been great because there are people that I hadn't seen in three you know, since pre pandemic, and so it's just get great to get back together with folks. But we had a couple specific objectives. We're looking at a couple of software pieces and we set up demos and discussions, and it's an opportunity not only for us to network with them, but my colleagues in different offices don't always get together either. And we have a technology subsidiary Gravity Stack.
So we're all getting together and being able to jointly evaluate some products that we're interested in but I always also like to walk around and see the boost to see, okay, what's coming next that I don't even know about yet? And that has been one of the ways that we've been ahead of others in terms of adopting new technology as being aware what's out there, what's coming. And this is a great place to see a lot of that. I agree.
That's why I like I haven't been back in four years, and it's nice like you said just to be back here and be in front of everyone, see what everyone's doing. One of the interesting things when you come to these conferences is that you accumulate a lot of knowledge. Right? You get it like you're saying, you've learned about new technologies, the people behind the programs, etcetera.
And you walk out of here and it could almost be like a document. You could suck it all out right yet. It's done. I gotta move on to the next project.
Right?
But I look at this as being a an opportunity to have a gift. Right? The gift of knowledge. What are you going to do leaving this conference?
In giving that gift of knowledge to other people. Well, certainly it you know, I do try to write. I have a blog, a viewpoints blog, any discovery, and I write periodically write articles. And this gives me fodder for that.
Sharing some of the knowledge that we pick up here at legal week with others through writing and through presentations, etcetera, what you're doing right now. You're you're sharing knowledge. And so, definitely, I have my to do list of probably ten things I should do coming out of legal weekend if I get four of them, that would be probably better than average. Right.
Because as you say, you return to your day job and you're overwhelmed. But, yeah, I do have a lot of follow-up goals coming out of legally. That's great. Well, you can count on me for reading them when it comes out with it.
Dave, always a pleasure. Thanks for stopping by. Great. Thank you. Thank you.
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Daniel Gold is an attorney and a Principal at BDO USA, where he leads eDiscovery managed services. He hosts BDO's Legal Tech Talk, co-hosts the NeLI Pod and founded Gold Standard Leadership.
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